Since a large number of people in my network are either looking for new opportunities or hiring today, I think it’s time for me to share this for you to internalize[1]. I’ve held off this post for a few years as I was still in the process of making sense of it. Hope this is useful for you who are in the job market.

The phrase “You have to be technical” was directed at me during an interview a few years ago while I already had a decade of consulting projects in Data and implemented one of the largest Business Analytics solutions on the planet. This is not an imposter syndrome blog post. Here’s why … 

How it all started

The Hiring Manager started warm and said that I would be perfect for the role, given my knowledge/experience and my network. I thought we were off to a really great start. I was super excited to learn more about the team – I knew they were very technical.

Let’s pause for a second. The ability to learn and apply technical concepts in the tech industry is valuable – however, some have abused the phrase “be technical” as a tool for gatekeeping. 

At the end of a few rounds of informational, the Hiring Manager asked me “Are you sure you want to join this team? You have to be technical”. It’s not just the phrase, it’s the tone and the delivery. 

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Here are the three possible ways I immediately thought of:

  1. Is he saying that I’m not technical enough and therefore need to speed up, vs he’s looking for evidence that my resume didn’t cover?
  2. Is “being technical” a state or condition that someone had the privilege of vs something that one can learn before or on the job? 
  3. Do I – as a non-shouty / loud person with some accent – give the impression that I will not survive in this technical world? 

I paused. 

I did follow with a question “Can you please give me an example of what you typically expect for someone in the role to deliver?” 

He explained more – a little vague.  He then continued “You have to figure it out yourself”. There wasn’t any room for collaboration or engagement, right?

Thinking deeply

Days gone by. I turned to my husband and asked. “Has at any time in your past interviews they ever said to you ‘You have to be technical‘?”

The answer was no. 

I turned to a couple of people in the network, they said “That’s BS. Challenge that. Prove that. You got it, girl” – or some combination of these. Let’s say, I received great pep talks after 🙂 

Back to the story, we didn’t go beyond informational after that. Especially not after “you’ll be a diversity hire, so it should be easy for you to get in”. 

It got me thinking … Would hiring managers in music industry say to a pianist “you have to be musical”? Or could it be more specific like “you have to be able to also play saxophone”?  If someone had said this, one could start saying “why saxophone? or what is the vision you have in mind? who is the audience?” – see, a conversation and being engaged. You can then ask, “what’s after saxophone?” or “do I need to also learn how to play drums and a violin next? And to what level?”.

Tip: To cut to the chase, you can be direct and ask “What does success look like to you for this role?” or “How do you measure success for this role?”. Sometimes it’s knowing how to play 5 different music instruments at expertise level; sometimes it’s knowing how to play 1 music instrument well but having empathy and respect of how the other four work. I’d also suggest asking “Why?”. Note: Everyone has different comfort levels on receiving vague-to-clear spectrum of answers. It’s good to know so you can both establish expectations.

My take away from this experience

This is not a blog post looking for validation on my skill. I am comfortable to say that I am not a hardware person (yet[2]) and I occasionally dabble in some cloud infrastructure – if that’s the definition of the ultimate prize of being technical, so be it. Note: the role I was interested earlier, was neither on hardware or infrastructure! When the time comes, I’ll learn it but it’s not my focus right now – selective participation 🙂

This is also not a blog post to “boo” hiring managers. They are human just like the rest of us. Being a hiring manager is not easy. That’s why in some companies, they make interview preparation courses available which also encompass understanding bias training and Diversity & Inclusion topics. So with that, let me end with the following.

The hiring goal, or my imposed goal, should not be “be technical”. If this is the start of the debate / the hiring game, we as two tech people in a room having an informational, have both lost[3].

The goal should be how can we use tech or invent the next tech to better the world – society, community, humanity; and it’s not about me or you, but the collective us – and even better, our customers. That’s it. 

Tip: The next time you want to use the word “technical”, think about how it applies to the context. Can you provide more context or expectations? Or, are you gatekeeping?

Footnotes

[1] This blog post is very personal. Being vulnerable is hard. Quite often, I asked “Would it add value to readers?”. I didn’t feel it was quite there until today. I reached out to a few amazing friends to help review this (Thank you!).

[2] There have been plenty of times in my life, I get to learn and do something I never plan or dream of. Although so far, with hardware stuff, I tend to find either colleagues or friends who love doing this stuff (would do much a better job than I do), so I delegate 😀 They’re happy, I’m happy.

[3] This reminds me of a behavioral economics lesson. In basic game theory with two players, generally, cooperative moves from both players in a non-repeatable game, either at initial or in turns, usually lead to utilization maximation from an economics point of view; aka. win-win. A non-cooperative move from one player, means that both players have lost any opportunity to maximize benefits for both players.

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10 Responses

  1. Hi,
    I was tagged as “not creative enough” after a grueling full-day interview. I was great at everything, but in the last interview with the skip manager, we just didn’t click. I felt it right away it was miserable, I answered everything but he kept challenging pushing, and being very dismissive. It was back in 2017, I still remember it. I do believe it was my accent, me being a woman, and my way of talking too much and talking with my hands as everyone does in the middle east. He just wasn’t comfortable with me, wearing hills dress jacked and jewelry didn’t help. I was just too much, I was told I am too much by many people in my life professionally and socially. I was frustrated but immediately applied to the next position than to the one after that. I literally have no idea to this day what to do with the feedback “not creative enough”, maybe not technical enough you can learn another coding language? build a demo? build a freaking website even if it has 0 to do with the actual interview, but creative enough? should I start drawing? paly a piano recital? (I can do that…) they have never actually seen me dance! Creative enough? failing 4 times when trying to build your own company (one of them was actually pretty creative – Latin Music production) and surviving financially by living basically of your car and friends couches when I was 32, I suppose that can count as creative, maybe coming to Canada in 2013 with 10K and 2 suitcases never been to N. America before and knowing no one here… I wonder if the smug man who was reeking of self-importance in his super expensive suite was ever dealing with those things. I wonder how creative would he have got when homeless people would bang on his basement window where he lived in the mornings begging for spare change because this is where you end up when the rent you can pay is 900 CAD in Calgary and you are a woman completely alone in the snow. I grew from other interviews, learned from my failures and my mistakes, understood what went wrong, and studied harder or switched to different fields. however, from: “you were not creative enough” I learned 0.
    (I will not disclose where I was interviewing at the time and it’s hard to guess cause in 2016- 2019 I interviewed more than 50 times.)

    • I’m sorry to hear your experience, Yana 🙁
      One of the best interviews that I had was a set of scenario based – real scenarios too. Not only it gave clarity about what to expect from the job but also it gives an understanding of which areas one needs to grow (and to check if they want to grow in that space at all).
      In some new incubation areas, it would be hard to be specific. However, if the hiring manager can share why some of these questions or statements are important criteria through examples, that would help immensely. Clarity is kind.
      Julie

  2. I am a 55 year old man and have been a SQL Server / Oracle DBA for 20 years. I interviewed with a company that felt I was not technical. ?!! How in the world they though that is beyond me. Your comment about gatekeeping means a lot to me. We forget that getting a job is based on a relationship. You got what it takes to make this relationship work or you don’t. People don’t always understand what exactly is not working to make the relationship work. “It” – is just not there.

  3. Great read, very nuanced. Thank you. In my decades-long experience as a female in the IT world I would have immediately taken the phrase “you have to be technical” as “you have to act like a man” because “technical” is something that is traditionally not associated with femininity, especially since the hiring person was unable to explain what that even means.

  4. Thanks Julie for a great thought. Your blog has two parts from the question that was posed. As a hiring manager myself in the past, I might have asked the same question if someone might like to be hands-on digging and delving every day into the syntaxes of coding. On the second part, yes, unlike a musician, we are always asked like “can you code in Python, Java, COBOL, etc., all the while also called into solve production performance issues or bug-prone code!!” :)) Reason is anyone’s guess.

  5. Today I gave a presentation at my company’s internal DBA Conference. I showed about 90 DBAs how to troubleshoot SQL Server with notebooks in ADS. Your name was at the top of my Resources slide, so hearing that you were asked that question is bizarre. It is like hearing someone ask Michelangelo, “You know you need to be able to paint, right?”.

    I can only imagine that interviewer looking back and feeling like a moron for asking that question now.

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